Really appreciated this insightful piece, which provides a lot of food for thought. I find many of your points fair and balanced.
For the record, as I've hinted on Twitter before, while the decision to go multi-chain has merit and is right for chikn at its current stage, the manner in which it was communicated showed poor judgement and lack of appreciation for the venue, the wider audience beyond chikn and event hosts. This situation could have been handled in a less confrontational and contentious manner outside of the summit but sadly, what is done is done. I put this down to lack of foresight than ill-intent to exploit the AVAX platform and its spotlight on the project to promote a rival chain like a trojan house.
Regarding your comments on the intolerance of criticism, I agree to some extent. However, I believe this issue is primarily centered around a few individuals on Discord and does not define the overall culture of the community. Even on Discord, you can find numerous examples where people offer criticism and feedback, leading to active and healthy debates. Lastly, it's worth noting that the chikn community, with a silent majority, is significantly greater than the active user base on Discord.
In any case, thanks for taking the time to share your perspective.
Agree that the number of individuals who fit this description is very low and that it does not represent the larger community. I will edit the article to make this more clear.
The people most ‘offended’ by the minor Polygon collaboration announcement already had an axe to grind and are just using the announcement to justify their ‘anger’.
However, there is an insufferable, core group inside the Chikn Discord community that believes the project revolves around them. They're also the loudest and most cringing in other social spaces. Of circa 2000 holders of chikn/Roostr or FarmLand, there may be around 100 currently active users in Discord with perhaps 20-30 frequent users (i.e. daily without fail). It's some of this small core that has made the Discord unpleasant for many and it's disappointing that so few can have this effect.
What used to be a vibrant, welcoming and dynamic community, became intimidating, abusive and toxic as infighting, ego clashes, narcissistic outbursts, arguments and trolling dominated. Decent, respectful conversation between some the more rational members regularly gets ruined by the know-it-alls. On the weekends, members get the ‘pleasure’ of witnessing the in-house drunk shamelessly publish his pathetic existence for all the group to see. Insecure trolls return to the Discord for controversy and throw fuel on any fire, but get tolerated despite having no skin in the Chikn game. Even most of the OG mod team got fed up being abused and bullied and left, just silently disappearing into the Bermuda triangle of the tri-token ecosystem. But they're not the only ones, many OGs have slipped away from the social aspect, leaving the Discord and Twitter to the sycophants. There's some genuinely nice people involved in Chikn and they don't deserve to be let down and dragged down by the aforementioned pond-life. You can't blame the dev team for wanting to reach out to other communities; they need to dilute the pond and the same can be said for the Avalanche community as whole.
> The people most ‘offended’ by the minor Polygon collaboration announcement already had an axe to grind and are just using the announcement to justify their ‘anger’.
Just a note, I'm neither offended by it nor do I have an axe to grind. I think my points about the appropriateness of the announcement situation stand regardless.
I'm not that familiar with the internals of the project but I'm not surprised that there is a small group of toxic people. It's basically inevitable in any large community. I also don't have any good ideas about how to combat this kind of situation, as I mentioned it's a tricky thing to censor some of your most passionate users just because of how outsiders perceive them. I wasn't aware they were viewed as negatively by the community either, though.
Basically, a small group of extremists in the chikn community are annoying the external community, which blames the avax community as the whole. Then a small group of people in the avax community deliberately agitate back, upsetting the larger group of normal people in the chikn community. Bad feelings all around.
Yall cant say better thats exactly it, im à chikn holder and i never go in the discord for these reasons. Lots of these toxic chikn members your talking about are complete maxis that dont even know what other projects are on avax thats hilarious 😂
It's chikn sultan here.
Really appreciated this insightful piece, which provides a lot of food for thought. I find many of your points fair and balanced.
For the record, as I've hinted on Twitter before, while the decision to go multi-chain has merit and is right for chikn at its current stage, the manner in which it was communicated showed poor judgement and lack of appreciation for the venue, the wider audience beyond chikn and event hosts. This situation could have been handled in a less confrontational and contentious manner outside of the summit but sadly, what is done is done. I put this down to lack of foresight than ill-intent to exploit the AVAX platform and its spotlight on the project to promote a rival chain like a trojan house.
Regarding your comments on the intolerance of criticism, I agree to some extent. However, I believe this issue is primarily centered around a few individuals on Discord and does not define the overall culture of the community. Even on Discord, you can find numerous examples where people offer criticism and feedback, leading to active and healthy debates. Lastly, it's worth noting that the chikn community, with a silent majority, is significantly greater than the active user base on Discord.
In any case, thanks for taking the time to share your perspective.
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Agree that the number of individuals who fit this description is very low and that it does not represent the larger community. I will edit the article to make this more clear.
The people most ‘offended’ by the minor Polygon collaboration announcement already had an axe to grind and are just using the announcement to justify their ‘anger’.
However, there is an insufferable, core group inside the Chikn Discord community that believes the project revolves around them. They're also the loudest and most cringing in other social spaces. Of circa 2000 holders of chikn/Roostr or FarmLand, there may be around 100 currently active users in Discord with perhaps 20-30 frequent users (i.e. daily without fail). It's some of this small core that has made the Discord unpleasant for many and it's disappointing that so few can have this effect.
What used to be a vibrant, welcoming and dynamic community, became intimidating, abusive and toxic as infighting, ego clashes, narcissistic outbursts, arguments and trolling dominated. Decent, respectful conversation between some the more rational members regularly gets ruined by the know-it-alls. On the weekends, members get the ‘pleasure’ of witnessing the in-house drunk shamelessly publish his pathetic existence for all the group to see. Insecure trolls return to the Discord for controversy and throw fuel on any fire, but get tolerated despite having no skin in the Chikn game. Even most of the OG mod team got fed up being abused and bullied and left, just silently disappearing into the Bermuda triangle of the tri-token ecosystem. But they're not the only ones, many OGs have slipped away from the social aspect, leaving the Discord and Twitter to the sycophants. There's some genuinely nice people involved in Chikn and they don't deserve to be let down and dragged down by the aforementioned pond-life. You can't blame the dev team for wanting to reach out to other communities; they need to dilute the pond and the same can be said for the Avalanche community as whole.
> The people most ‘offended’ by the minor Polygon collaboration announcement already had an axe to grind and are just using the announcement to justify their ‘anger’.
Just a note, I'm neither offended by it nor do I have an axe to grind. I think my points about the appropriateness of the announcement situation stand regardless.
I'm not that familiar with the internals of the project but I'm not surprised that there is a small group of toxic people. It's basically inevitable in any large community. I also don't have any good ideas about how to combat this kind of situation, as I mentioned it's a tricky thing to censor some of your most passionate users just because of how outsiders perceive them. I wasn't aware they were viewed as negatively by the community either, though.
It's not an exact match for this situation, but a really interesting article on the topic is https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/12/17/the-toxoplasma-of-rage/
Basically, a small group of extremists in the chikn community are annoying the external community, which blames the avax community as the whole. Then a small group of people in the avax community deliberately agitate back, upsetting the larger group of normal people in the chikn community. Bad feelings all around.
Sorry I should have clarified that I wasn’t aiming my intro comments at you. I found what you’ve written to be reasonable and it’s welcome.
Yall cant say better thats exactly it, im à chikn holder and i never go in the discord for these reasons. Lots of these toxic chikn members your talking about are complete maxis that dont even know what other projects are on avax thats hilarious 😂